That Madcap Meryl, Really!
The tragic heroine, the brilliant mimic, the woman of a thousand accents,
Mary Louise Streep is also something else -- she's a goof.
"I feel like a big piece of furniture," Ms. Streep groans, referring to the
fact that she is six months pregnant with her fourth child, a cause for a
22-pound weight gain that has made her famous cheeks almost chubby and her eyes
narrower than usual. Having just returned from a fitting for a Valentino gown
for the Academy Awards -- she's been nominated for best actress for "Postcards
From the Edge" -- she suddenly struts across a hotel room, doing a sendup of the
high-fashion runway models who left her feeling fat and "humiliated." Deadpan,
she wonders aloud if "they can find that much material" to cover her frame.
Callipygian concerns aside, at the age of 41 Ms. Streep has made 18 movies
in the last 14 years; this is her ninth Oscar nomination.
And at this stage in her seemingly charmed life, when she's moved to Los
Angeles and has three children in three different private schools and is redoing
a house on the Westside and worrying about fabric samples, she's careered off
the beaten path of high drama, if temporarily, to cultivate her comedic
connections.
From penis envy to brain envy, from slurping noodles to flatulence jokes,
from a weird afterlife in a corporate building to an after-afterlife on a bus,
this is the wacky landscape of Meryl Streep's latest film, "Defending Your Life,
" directed by and starring Albert Brooks, who wrote the screenplay. The film,
opening Friday in New York, is not exactly Streepian terrain, of the highbrow
variety. Then again, Ms. Streep seems to have fashioned her career on being
unpredictable.
But never before has she played such a breezy role, the adolescent figment of
one man's imagination, especially when that man is the irrepressible Mr. Brooks:
only he could dream up the comic scenario of finding the perfect woman, played
by Ms. Streep, once he's dead. And so is she. Together, they shuffle along in
their silly white afterlife robes, or tupas, down the corridors of Judgment
City.
With "Defending Your Life," she says, "We're opening the door, God forbid, to
Albert's brain." Ever since she finished "A Cry in the Dark" (1988), a movie she says gave her
gray hairs, Ms. Streep has been drawn to lighter fare.
First, there was the farcical "She-Devil" (1989), in which she played a
Barbie Doll opposite Roseanne Barr's grotesque housewife, though she now views
that movie, which received unenthusiastic reviews, as having turned out to be a
hybrid, like a "wildebeest."
Next came "Postcards From the Edge" and her arch performance as the acerbic,
drugged-out actress seeking a rapprochement with her overbearing mother. It was
during the making of that film that Ms. Streep was paid a poolside visit by Mr.
Brooks, who paced for two hours and pitched her his nutty and sweet movie idea
about what really happens when you die.
"He never let me read the script," she says, eating hamentashen, a pastry
brought by a visitor on the Jewish holiday of Purim. (Raised Presbyterian, Ms.
Streep descends from Spanish Jews who immigrated to Holland; rather than sign
their Jewish name, they drew a line, which is what Streep means in Dutch.)
"Albert said, 'I have to come over and tell it to you.' And it was like,
'Then I say . . . then you say . . .' and I fell in love with the idea."
She-Devil Or Snooty Person?
Ms. Streep is certainly no stranger to the realm of comedy. From a comic
turn in Woody Allen's "Manhattan" (1979), in which she played Mr. Allen's
bisexual wife, to tragic roles laced with humor, such as the hip, disaffected
Karen Silkwood, or even the comic elements within the rigid Lindy Chamberlain in
"A Cry in the Dark," she revels in the underbelly of humor.
In person, she is at once self-effacing and proper, wearing an elegant, black
kimonolike dress, diamond-drop earrings and suede pumps. "My daughters and I
have a game called Snooty Person," she says, now affecting a very proper British
lady, "and we go out in high heels and we're very snooty and we do vulgar
things. It's sort of a joke on myself, because a lot of comedy, I think, is
vulgar. It's all a matter of taste."
And what, exactly, are the vulgarities that the snooty people engage in? "Oh,
they're unmentionable," she says, laughing.
Over the years, reviewers have branded Ms. Streep's selection of dramatic
material as humorless. The New Yorker critic Pauline Kael, who described Ms.
Streep's performance in "Postcards From the Edge" as that of "an android," was
chief among her detractors, issuing incantations like: "If only Streep would
giggle more and suffer less." Even admiring peers, like Cher and Diane Keaton,
have in separate interviews described Ms. Streep as "an acting machine," a
compliment that also resonates with robotic implications.
Whether such observations put pressure on an actress of Ms. Streep's caliber
to toss off her mantle of earnestness by lightening her load is unclear. Yet Ms.
Streep says that before "She-Devil," she had been looking for "something light
for years, but I just never thought anything that was around was funny." Her
friends suggest that in addition to enjoying the relief of not taking home the
doppelgangers from work, Ms. Streep has turned to comedy for the challenge of it
and maybe because, at her core, she's a cutup. And besides, Ms. Streep's heroes
include the comic actresses Katharine Hepburn and Carole Lombard.
Says Carrie Fisher, who wrote "Postcards From the Edge": "As a human being,
she's really funny. But you haven't seen that in most of her work. Right now, I
think, it's about coming closer to home for her."
Adds the comedienne Tracey Ullman: "I called her up to ask her if I should
talk to you. And I asked her what I should say when you ask about her comedic
talents. She said I should just pause and say, 'What comedic talents?' "
A Connoisseur of Comic Women
What tickles Ms. Streep's funny bone most these days is the work of the
tough-chick comediennes. "I like the ones who aren't afraid or so concerned with
being girlish and attractive. Yeah, I like Sandra Bernhard and Roseanne Barr
because of the tougher stance. I like that it doesn't bow to being appealing and
can still be funny."
None of which could possibly explain Ms. Streep in "Defending Your Life," in
which she plays the quintessential "girl" role, passive and pretty and muted and
wise -- the straight woman to Mr. Brooks's funny man. Ask about her contribution
to the film and, looking somewhat embarrassed, she says it was "lighter than
air." Ask about her technique in playing Mr. Brooks's dream girl, and she
cracks, "It's very important to have good hair." Ask about the resonance of her
character, and she says there was none.
"I know Albert feels he's written a whole woman, a completely full-blown
person," she says. "I didn't know how to break it to him, he's really not done
that. He's written an idea of a woman. And I did my best to fill those silver
slippers. "But it was also fun," she adds. "I thought, 'Ah, the hell with it. You're
dead. You can do whatever you want.' "
A Careerist with a Twist
During the course of this interview, Ms. Streep emotes countless heavy
sighs, a sign of her distaste for sitting still with a journalist. Her
ambivalence is palpable. She worries about projecting a "starlet" persona, but
at the same time has chosen to meet in a suite that the movie studio reserved at
the Hotel Bel-Air, a swank establishment with its swans, lush gardens and pink
facade.
"I just never figure out this stuff," she says, referring to her film
choices, "except in an interview, because I'm not an analytical person and I
basically take jobs that appeal to me for whatever the skewed reason is that
they appeal to me. I'm not in analysis, and nobody asks me these questions at
home.
"I mean, at this moment in my life, most of my day is spent with some guy who
wants to know where to put the second toilet upstairs. That's what I'm thinking
about. I'm not thinking about acting."
And yet, Ms. Streep is also a shrewd careerist who is as ambitious as any
actor in Hollywood. When asked how she feels about Madonna getting the role of
"Evita," a part for which Ms. Streep studied for more than a year before
negotiations fell apart, she replies: "I could rip her throat out. I can sing
better than she can, if that counts for anything."
The loss of that role, which she says was a "bitter disappointment," resulted
in her being without a job and deciding to do an American Express Card
commercial with children from one of her daughters' schools. "I don't believe in
the company," she says. "But I have a card, so I felt like I could kill two
birds with one stone because my daughter's school was in financial trouble. They
got an enormous contribution from American Express, and I gave them one. So, it
was good."
For now, at least during the remainder of her pregnancy, Ms. Streep is doing
off-camera work, narrating Phil Joanou's American version of Michael Apted's "7
Up," a documentary that follows the lives of 7-year-olds, with sequels every
seven years.
Though she says she would like to return to the theater one day, Ms. Streep
claims to have developed a case of stage fright that has grown "way out of
proportion," because she feels "followed by the expectation of what I've done."
So she misses the feeling of an audience, the roar of approval. "And that is
something I was conscious about in picking those comedies," she says, " 'cause I
like hearing a crew laugh."
Is Meryl Streep funny?
She's deadly serious when discussing the question, and her awareness of how
sober she is is endearing, if not actually funny. She launches into a thoughtful
response about how being comical is part of a bigger package, a spectrum of
feeling. Then, she says, "I think I'm funny -- and overanxious -- and lazy."
This last part hardly seems possible. Meryl Streep, lazy person? "Oh, yeah. I
'm very, very lazy. If there's a choice, I'd rather not do it, you know what I
mean?"
Since "Defending Your Life" is about death, it seems appropriate to ask about
her feelings about an afterlife.
"Oy," she bellows, as if some large object has fallen on her head. "Oy, oy. I
believe there's some point where it all is clear. I mean, I've been with people
who were dying," she says (she lived and worked with the actor John Cazale, who
died of bone cancer in 1978), "and seeing that moment and seeing peace come. I
do believe that. But I don't see it as a sort of corporate building, like
Albert."
One minute she's a crackup; the next, quite pensive. "The other day," she says,
"I thought, 'Boy, I'm ready to do something that takes a pound of flesh again.'
" So much for Meryl Streep's craving for comedy.
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