Meryl Streep: Thank you, Mrs. Thatcher
She just won her 8th Golden Globe for her interpretation of the despotic english lady, it smooths the
way to the Oscar. But her gratitude is due to something else: the image of an old woman who cleans a cup.
The cold charm of an iron lady creeps into little details you wouldn't expect: “ She didn't have a
cook, if I was UK prime minister, I certainly have someone who cooks for me. But she loved to
cook. And she woke up everybody. She slept four, five hours per night, she didn't need more. She
wasn't never ill and she didn't have any tolerance for who got sick. In those years she had terrible
problems with her theet, but no one have ever known.”. Meryl Streep, 62 years old, is back from her
last virtuous performance, Margaret Thatcher from 'The Iron Lady', the most awaited biopic of this
year (directer by Phyllida Lloyd, on 27 January in cinemas), which give her a Golden Globe (the
8th) and the censorship (with a 'bip' from the direction) because of the uninhibited swearword she
said on the stage (shit!) because she left her glasses on the table.
The movie is a virtual meeting – 86 years old Thatcher is closed in her illness – between two
women who have in common an exceptional career. Meryl Streep, as always, studyed a lot her
character “ In order to save time she convene the cabinet in her chambers, which were relatively
small. For example, the White House's staff is composed by 400 persons, the Downing Street's staff,
when she was there, was composed of 60 persons more or less. It's incredible how pragmatic,
personal and hard was the work she did, even if only physically”. Thatcher in the movie, though, is
an old forgetful lady, nothing more of the pale shadow of the PM who weaken the miners' trade
union and the argentine generals in the Falkland. Challenging the polemics (unvariabily eruptted in
UK, up to the boycott against cinemas called from the most orthodox thatcherians), the movie
doesn't portray only a leader but also, explains the actress, “trasform it at one point, into a story
about all of us, while entering in the last quarter of our life”.
In this movie what was the bigger challenge?
I had to read a lot, I felt the reponsibility for reporting accurately the events of her life and I wanted
to bone up on her persona, imagining an old lady about who we don't know anything anymore. It
was a challenge, but not unpleasant at all.
Did you feel depressed when you saw you aged?
I saw me aged everyday (laugh). The strange thing is that when you watch yourself in the movies
you see yourself always young, the contrast is shocking. I have three daughters, so I see me and my
husband always young.
In the movie you say that in the past all was about the idea of 'trying to do something', and today it's
all about the idea 'to be someone'.
Today we are filmed 24/24. We have our pictures taken before we are born. The self-awareness
causes the fact that we walk as if we are followed by a mirror. We, indeed, our public figure is
forced to measure against itself, so it start controlling.
Thatcher in the movie say that she don't want to die washing a cup, and in the end there is a scene
during which she actually washes a cup. Did she really say that?
No, she didn't. It is an imagined scene of her youth and of her old age, but it comes from the
sentence that many young women say: 'I don't want to be like my mother”. They want to do
something different, the reach a certain age, and what happen? What the refuse is to pay the toll: a
long life costs. Basically, they don't want to get old. But everybody gets old, if we are lucky, so it is
an interesting thing.
Thatcher is a controversial figure, but you said that in modern politics lack her clarity. Did you refer
to Obama?
I didn't write the screenplay, but everybody knows that is invigorating when someone says what he
thinks. At least you know your enemy. This is clarity. I don't have presumption to talk in place of
Obama, I think he is a great president, I think he does the harderjob in the world and I don't have
arrogance to teach him how to do it, but I have the sensetion that before all the pollsters came up
people could be more faithfulto their principles.
Did you try to meet her?
It's hard now, because she suffers of dementia and doesn't meet anyone. I saw her, in 2002, when I
came with my doughter to Northwestern Unyversity of Chicago, she was delivering a speech. There
there wasn't a lot of supporters, however she answered to all of the questions showing respect,
thinking, without shirk, with clear and well articulated sentences. She went on for one hour and half
and they had to stop her, because she took to heart the debate and she was getting excited. She was
getting excited instead of getting tired. She was 76.
Was it difficult to play Thatcher, give shrieks, imitate her voice?
Yes, she was really particular. English catch every class inflection when you speak. They know
where you were born, where you grew up and what kind of school you attended as soon as you
speak. They can tell you what kind of shool your mother has attended or if she hasn't attended any
school, it's astonishing. Reproduce all the complexity of the spectrum of a female voice was a very
interesting challenge. Thatcher was a grocer's daughter, she used an artificial voice and an aspirated
accent in order to appear someone she wasn't, that annoyed english. They didn't stand that.
Did you find out any noteworthy details about the relationship between Margaret and her husband
Denis?
Oh, many. He did the crossword and read the newspaper, she didn't read anything about herself.
Do you do the same?
I gave up. It hurts your feelings insomuch as I gave up. Our skin is permeable, you adsorb and then
mull over it for months, years (laugh). Denis, instead, read everything and then he reported to his
wife. She met the powerful men of the world and he was drinking with friends, then he came back
and said ' People think this and that'. He was her ear, her antenna, but always at her side.
With the Golden Globes, the Oscar campaign has started and i know you don't like it.
(Laugh) No, I like it, I like the Oscars.
You like the Oscar, but not the promotional business, red carpets and the rest.
No I like promotional businesses, I think they are weird and improbable. It's like cut an eye from a
picture and then say that it is well done. A movie, as a picture, has to be seen wholly.
You portrayed a lot of strong women. Are there any women who inspired you?
Yes, my mother was a role model, and my grandma too. They didn't refrain from express their
opinion. And they enjoyed their life.
How do you try to tell the 'last quarter of our life'?
TIL tells about three days af an old woman, all the action is about her effort to recover her
memories. That thing maybe confuses her, but she lives it. Neither she isn't working at something
she programmed, nor she is living in the past. She in front of the sink, she is listening to the birds,
the children, she is exactly where she is, she lives her life. That's what happen to the actors, they are
where they are, in that moment. That thing, in older people I know interests, me a lot. I always
thought about it as for my mother. When she received a phone call from someone who comunicated
that one of her friends passed away, she said 'Oh, they all are passing away'. The equanimity with
she measured herself with that reality amazed me: she was sad but alive, every seconds.
They are three days which recall many important aspects of Margaret Thatcher's life. What are the
most important things in your life?
Sleep (laugh). Thatcher makes me feel incomfortable: being PM for 11yeras and half, taking
important decisions from which depends so many people, sleeping so little...I would never do that. I
need to take a break, to be alone, to listen to the music, to read poems, to have more time for
myself.
And you need love and family too...
Yes, it's really important. And I'm lucky, I have a lot of love. And a lot of phone calls to make
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